eyes wide shut who was the masked woman

> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. Barcaluv. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. <<<<<<<<<<<>. Please either stop or> shape up. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? Was she the women at the party?" There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? Crumb Eye. Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. Is that how youwould describe it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? It is as if he Wanted, as if hedesired, compelled, it to be so again, its at two - simultaneousbut contradictory - levels (as ALWAYS in many of Kubrick's films -like in The Shining: are the spectral ghosts 'real' or is Jack etcimagining them? The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. But that's not the half of it. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" I actually had to look that up. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" <<<<<<<<<<. The woman who had tried to warn Bill intervenes and insists on redeeming him, at an undisclosed personal cost. Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. orpsychotherapists. Mandy was not the same woman. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? OT. WebEyes Wide Shut. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. Can it really compete with Rupert? When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Was she the women at the party?" It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I > know.". He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. <<<<<<<<<What else could> he call it? The Daily Planet may go under too. > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. and> pleading with her to take off her mask? The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. > Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Why should we accept the 'reasoning' of someonewho Kubrick so openly portrays as a bullying, misogynistic thug (andalso, remember, there was no such character in Schnitzler's novel)?Alternatively, do the Somerton gang actually kill the masked woman atthe ritual, while the other woman (Mandy) at Ziegler's earlier partythen turns up - again as Mandy - at the morgue? Statanic mass?>, > <<<<<<<<< the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. <<<<<<<<<<<. >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. How? WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. ", wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. NG was :>the realization of that potential. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. But the worst thing is your silly and smug arrogance. 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