DAVIES: But Sofia was just - she was active. Erik Prince conducts business around the globe, but in a pending lawsuit, he says he does the bulk of his work from Wyoming. They targeted NPR. And, you know, there were a whole range of people they went after. So it was a fascinating moment in time last year when I realized what I suspected Beau and Sofia were doing. if (document.context) document.write ("&context=" + escape(document.context)); Funneling contributions through a third party is a feature of the federal election code and most state election codes. At the center of the scheme was an unusual cast: a former British spy connected to the security contractor Erik Prince, a wealthy heiress to the Gore-Tex fortune and undercover operatives like. And we all sort of wracked our brains to try to figure out if, like, has this been done before? [I] was a Wyoming resident for many years, he told Brietbart. I believe he was involved in an effort to battle pirates in Somalia. DAVIES: So how did you come upon this couple, Beau and Sofia? DAVIES: Right. The two men had known each other since Mr. Princes days running Blackwater, and shared an affinity for guns and the American West. But "one of the most brazen operations of the campaign" was an attempt to take down H.R. We rely on our journalists to be independent observers. However, he ultimately did not challenge Barrasso in 2018 nor did he vote in those off-year elections, Prince acknowledged in Octobers revised declaration. That's a strawman campaign donation. Overall, how do conservatives regard Project Veritas? Prince might have approached for money for Mr. Seddons venture besides Ms. Gore. And, you know, and he is - you know, he's an international businessman. And they targeted - Project Veritas had a whole series. You know, a big question about the stories that you've described is, is this activity illegal, what the couple did in Wyoming, you know, presenting themselves as - dishonestly as active Democrats in order to get information? In early 2017, Prince reportedly welcomed James OKeefe and others from the conservative group Project Veritas, which describes itself as an army of guerrilla journalists. That February, OKeefe tweeted an image of himself taking aim with a silenced handgun amid snowy mountains, saying the team was undergoing intense training from a classified location as we make Project Veritas the next great intelligence agency. The Intercept ultimately identified the site as the Prince ranch in a 2019 article. If you're a print subscriber, but do not yet have an online account, click here to create one. But Trump would, from time to time, cite Project Veritas videos in his, you know, comments, public comments and speeches, right? Were just trying to hold them accountable for this industrial espionage.. According to its latest publicly available tax filing, Project Veritas received $8.6 million in contributions and grants in 2018. And they - the purpose for - they themselves will launch this undercover operation and then, you know, secretly record you - audio, video - and then make a video out of it and, you know, expose what they describe as wrongdoing. New details reveal the ambitions of an operation intended to infiltrate opponents of Donald Trump, including moderate Republicans as well as progressives and Democrats. DAVIES: Adam Goldman is a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. I'm Dave Davies. DAVIES: Right. Prince a former C.I.A. Im not ashamed of the methods that we use or the recordings that we use, he said. GOLDMAN: Yeah, and the Justice Department prosecuted a number of individuals. The ex-undercover British spy, Richard Seddon, trained conservative operatives first at the Prince family ranch in Wyoming, then at a large, $10,000-a-month house near Georgetown University. And, you know, we wrote the story about the operation targeting McMaster and Georgetown. But it was not her real name. The Powell Tribune was unable to learn Princes voter history from 2002 and 2017. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. Do we know? GOLDMAN: Project Veritas is founded by James O'Keefe. You know, we had - we talked to many, many people who worked there, and, you know, they described Seddon as wanting to do more long-term operations - right? You'd have to ask Mr. O'Keefe. Mr. Seddon was not. What kind of inroads did they make? Mr. Prince said he thought hed registered to vote when hed obtained a Wyoming drivers license in October 2017. GOLDMAN: Well, again, this is a little murky. DAVIES: It was a risk because she couldn't effectively work undercover if they'd been exposed by this organization that's critical of Veritas? O'Keefe writes about it in his book. And, I mean, they were both active, but she was literally, you know, infiltrating these Democratic groups. Blackwater Worldwide founder Erik Prince is considering a Republican primary challenge to Wyoming Senator John Barrasso, a senior member of the Senate GOP leadership team, in a race that could pit the party's establishment against insurgents inspired by allies of President Donald Trump. It was Maria (ph). From 1986 through the present, hes made roughly 100 contributions totaling more than $630,000 to Republican causes and Congressional candidates, according to Federal Election Commission records. And in the end, you know, O'Keefe would release them and, you know, make a big deal out of them. But what we know is there was an arrangement made, and Erik Prince allowed Project Veritas to use his farm to train its operatives. DAVIES: Let me reintroduce you again. For instance, Princes 2014 memoir said he splits his time between homes in Virginia and Abu Dhabi, where he pursues a variety of business ventures.. State records show Moyock Medical Supplies was formed in Wyoming by an associate of Princes on April 15 two days after The Intercept published its article. Presiding Judge Johnson, who is based in Cheyenne, has himself signaled some uncertainty about whether Wyoming is the right place for Princes case to be heard; in early November, Johnson asked the parties to submit additional briefs on either transferring the case to another district or delving further into the issues related to jurisdiction. We know that because Glenn put it up on his Instagram account. And then I talked to somebody else. Mr. Seddons role in the teachers union operation detailed in internal Project Veritas emails that have emerged from the discovery process of a court battle between the group and the union has not previously been reported, nor has Mr. Princes role in recruiting Mr. Seddon for the groups activities. They were, in fact, going to use a former Project Veritas operative named Tarah Price, who lives in the Dallas area, to, you know, possibly ensnare McMaster at a restaurant, get him to say something ill toward or maybe negative about Trump, something that would compromise him. Prince had hired a former MI6 officer to help train the Project Veritas operatives, The Intercept wrote, but it did not identify the officer. document.write ('&cb=' + m3_r); GOLDMAN: I was going to say, you know, talking to Republicans, moderate Republicans, I mean, moderate - these guys are pretty conservative, by the way - when we're describing it as moderate Republicans they were targeting. He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. Using a different alias the next year, the same undercover operative infiltrated the congressional campaign of Abigail Spanberger, then a former C.I.A. GOLDMAN: It's my understanding that they met during a training at the Prince ranch in Wyoming in the spring of '17 and then grew closer over time. Mr. Seddon wrote that Ms. Jorge copied a great many documents from the file room, and Mr. OKeefe bragged that the group would be able to get a ton more access agents inside the educational establishment.. AMY GOODMAN: In Wyoming. So flesh out the picture a bit. And this website is devoted to revealing the identities of Project Veritas operatives. Mr. Remind us who they are and what they've done. A local farmer was utilizing the land to grow corn and soybean crops, but the potential for the ranch was far from being realized. Prince, a contractor close to the Trump administration, contacted veteran spies for operations by Project Veritas, the conservative group known for conducting stings on news organizations and other groups. She actually got a contract fundraising gig with the Democrats, right? document.write ("'><\/scr"+"ipt>"); The woman was claiming she had been impregnated by the Senate candidate, thinking that The Washington Post would be so excited to get dirt about a conservative that they would publish a bogus story. GOLDMAN: Yes, the Government Accountability Office. And that one was made public. DAVIES: What did you learn about how Beau and Sofia met? They went after a Democratic staffer in Washington. Amid his globe-trotting, however, Prince says he does most of his work from Wyoming and calls Park County home. Cole pointed to various records, including a campaign finance document from earlier this year, in which Prince listed his address as being in Virginia. There was a billionaire in - well, a very - I don't know if he was a billionaire. In 2010, Mr. O Keefe and three others pleaded guilty to a federal misdemeanor after admitting they entered a government building in New Orleans under false pretenses as part of a sting. What's interesting about that Instagram post - and you can see it yourself, it's still out there - they like to describe themselves as journalists. Our understanding of the operation is that Mr. Seddon, while employed, in fact, at Project Veritas, was involved in this. One of the former spies, an ex-MI6 officer named Richard Seddon, helped run a 2017 operation to copy files and record conversations in a Michigan office of the American Federation of Teachers, one of the largest teachers unions in the nation. The parties are currently awaiting a ruling from Judge Johnson, who could choose to allow the case to proceed in Wyoming; permit some more limited fact-gathering about the appropriate jurisdiction; transfer the case to New York; or throw it out entirely. This includes participating in marches or rallies in support of a movement or giving money to, or raising money for, any political candidate or election cause. They need some spy training and covert military, paramilitary training at his ranch. But I didn't reveal that I knew Beau and Sofia had lived at that house at the time because we were working - concurrently, we were working on this larger story about them. At the time, Prince was exploring the possibility of mounting a Republican primary challenge to incumbent U.S. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo. And then they married last week. if (document.referrer) document.write ("&referer=" + escape(document.referrer)); And last year, I learned that Beau and Sofia had been working out of this house in Georgetown. DAVIES: Coming up, rock critic Ken Tucker reviews new songs by veteran artist Tom Jones, Jackson Browne and John Mayer. You know, this is something we haven't seen, right? I'm Dave Davies, in for Terry Gross, who's off this week. The Powell Tribune was unable to learn Prince's voter history from 2002 and 2017. Valued at roughly $12 million by the Park County Assessors Office, the property includes a 17,470-square-foot residence that ranks among the largest in the area; county records show Prince owns a smaller home on an adjoining 10-acre parcel. Efforts to locate Mr. Thomas were unsuccessful. Later that year, Mr. Prince and Mr. Seddon met in August 2018 with Susan Gore, a Wyoming heiress to the Gore-Tex fortune, Ms. Gore became the projects main benefactor. And this was not - you know, James O'Keefe has said Project Veritas was unaware of this, and they adamantly deny knowing anything about this. But when I learned about Beau and Sofia last year - there's a website, Project Veritas Exposed. While he has not been actively involved in Wyoming politics specifically, Prince comes from a political family he is the brother of U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos and is an active political donor. They'd been recruited and trained in an operation led by a former British spy and security contractor Erik Prince, an avid supporter of Donald Trump. They had a - someone came to the Post. You know, I think part of Mr. O'Keefe's motto - I think it's important for him to have regular and consistent content - right? (SOUNDBITE OF FRANK ZAPPA'S "EAT THAT QUESTION"). He did not respond to follow-up phone messages or an email. DAVIES: Right. I don't know. In particular, you know, Sofia targeted a employee with the GAO. But I think - you would think that Democrats and Republicans would all be united, that this is a bipartisan issue, right? Did it help, you know, Project Veritas raise more money? Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has at times served as an informal adviser to Trump administration officials. Its among a number of issues and motions that will have to be sorted out before a judge or jury would consider the accuracy of The Intercepts April article. var m3_u = (location.protocol=='https:'? The job put her in a position to gain valuable information about which Republican candidates the group was supporting with independent advertising. I mean, this is - you know, he no doubt sees them as a conservative ally, like other conservative networks. We rely on our journalists to be independent observers. But before the parties get to the lawsuits merits, The Intercept is contending, among other arguments, that Wyoming is not the right place for the case to be heard. Those contentions have become a key point of early proceedings in the case. In August 2017, Ms. Jorge wrote to Mr. Seddon that she had managed to record a local union leader talking about Ms. DeVos and other topics. Accuracy and availability may vary. We're speaking with New York Times reporter Adam Goldman, one of a team of Times reporters who've been writing about an effort by conservatives to train operatives in undercover operations to infiltrate progressive groups, unions and the offices and campaigns of Democratic and moderate Republican candidates and elected officials. An attorney for The Intercept reportedly told Princes lawyer in the spring the piece was one in a series of planned articles concerning Mr. Princes activities, though it has not published any further pieces to date. Although he owns a home in Wapiti, Prince is not generally known as a Wyoming businessman. One of the people involved in the McMaster plot was Barbara Ledeen, a longtime Republican staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee before retiring, she says, earlier this year. Prince, saying he lied about the circumstances of his meeting with a Russian banker in the Seychelles in January 2017. What are traditional political dirty tricks? 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DAVIES: So he is the guy who hires this British spy, Richard Seddon, to train operatives to, you know, gather intelligence from, you know, Democrats and progressives. And they will attend their rival's news conferences, public events and gather information. You know, Princes are pretty savvy. A spokesman for the firm said that Alston & Bird has never contributed to Project Veritas on its own behalf, nor is it a client of ours. The spokesman declined to say on whose behalf the contribution was made. Did you receive the spare camera yet?. Two weeks later, on Oct. 14, Prince submitted a new sworn statement in his defamation case, in which he acknowledged he had not registered to vote in Wyoming in 2017. And as I was reporting this, somebody said, well, you know, her picture, you know, she's on that website. He's, you know, the private military contractor. 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